tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post8043638496332401813..comments2023-08-18T16:12:20.743+01:00Comments on Young middle age: Changing the fairy talesHelenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08771705537219032469noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-70051032153689631182015-04-01T10:04:44.629+01:002015-04-01T10:04:44.629+01:00Ana, Oy is so wonderful, such an un-butch hero, in...Ana, Oy is so wonderful, such an un-butch hero, in fact all your characters wear their genders so lightly, they're people not men or women, boys or girls.<br />(fan rant over now)Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415841494207669940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-50238977733197468152015-04-01T10:03:31.627+01:002015-04-01T10:03:31.627+01:00:) I promise I wrote my post without having read y...:) I promise I wrote my post without having read yours first, though we were obviously on the same page!Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415841494207669940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-11102951082651828062015-04-01T09:57:07.893+01:002015-04-01T09:57:07.893+01:00Now, that is interesting about Iron Heinrich, and ...Now, that is interesting about Iron Heinrich, and it rings a vague bell - I like the idea that the woman wins the man by displaying her strength!<br />(though it's also a little bit "mmm you're sexy when you're angry" which is always an infuriating line!)<br />I reckon if you have a boy/girl combo at home it might help with discussing these situations. Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415841494207669940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-54043518104569173252015-04-01T09:51:20.190+01:002015-04-01T09:51:20.190+01:00Wow - thank you so much for that link!
I am terri...Wow - thank you so much for that link! <br />I am terrified by how much I need to help my boys learn: as you say, they're going to need so many analytical skills, and they'll always have to be switched on. It would be so easy to accept societal values unquestioningly, yet we need questions at every turn. <br />Seriously, that post has proper woken me up after a bad night's sleep, and Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415841494207669940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-67839653488997338932015-04-01T09:42:43.075+01:002015-04-01T09:42:43.075+01:00Thank you, Iota - I like the way the blog you link...Thank you, Iota - I like the way the blog you linked to resolves that we need to write the books we want to read! (Note to self - I've got a proposal to draft).<br /><br />Of course, you say you're Iota, but I don't know you're not an impersonator...Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415841494207669940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-68948297608713394082015-03-31T20:59:09.836+01:002015-03-31T20:59:09.836+01:00I love this post! I wrote something similar a whil...I love this post! I wrote something similar a while back about the problem I have with princesses (http://gagatg.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/why-i-hate-princesses.html) and I have to admit that, having been so excited to share fairy tales with my daughter when she was first born, I soon realised when reading them again that they set a really bad example for relationships. But I love your way of Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04722453080588611941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-58157793165574584092015-03-31T20:10:53.032+01:002015-03-31T20:10:53.032+01:00If children were only consuming these out-dated me...If children were only consuming these out-dated messages I'd be worried but I think they can be negated with discussion and by the sort of values you clearly encourage in your son. Clare's post on Frozen seems to show that things are moving in the right direction. All of the posts have made me look more closely at my own writing.Ana Salotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13373695860557420762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-28462508238342412032015-03-31T16:04:26.294+01:002015-03-31T16:04:26.294+01:00I do agree with you about some of the fairy tale s...I do agree with you about some of the fairy tale set-ups, I really do, they are genuinely disempowering of women, but I do want to add that interestingly enough the Grimms’ book of fairy tales went through about 7 or 8 editions over many decades and academics have noted how there is very clearly a shift in the tales – how they become more ‘moral’ than they were before (I think that probably also Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-85974930295835774692015-03-31T14:55:34.861+01:002015-03-31T14:55:34.861+01:00Great post, I've been pondering similar. I su...Great post, I've been pondering similar. I suppose fairy-tales reflect the times they were written in? Not that we should forgive them all the dodgy ideas and passive princesses, but perhaps the starkness of fairy-tales makes the limits placed on the women in these stories more visible, and as a result, easier to discuss? I've had some good conversations with my boys about how Disney&#Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06268584522137415553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-76461784484455520452015-03-31T12:41:35.474+01:002015-03-31T12:41:35.474+01:00The Paper Bag Princess is another reversal of the ...The Paper Bag Princess is another reversal of the classic princess fairy tale.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-65731839341473512282015-03-31T12:36:03.505+01:002015-03-31T12:36:03.505+01:00Here's a post which is interesting, about the ...Here's a post which is interesting, about the lack of strong female leads in children's fiction. Seems that once your children have grown out of fairy tales, it doesn't get much better in modern fiction for older kids. That's a bit depressing.<br /><br />http://nappyvalleygirl.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/super-women-and-mini-men.html<br /><br />(Iota again!)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-1404595218273202642015-03-31T12:06:06.889+01:002015-03-31T12:06:06.889+01:00Thank you, Iota - and I'll have a look at thos...Thank you, Iota - and I'll have a look at those alternatives. <br />I remember the ball thing well - the popular girls would stack up their offers and wait to the last minute to choose which to have, so the other girls would be waiting for the "second round" of all the rejected suitors. There was also an under-system where a girl could let a boy know that, should he approach her, heHelenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415841494207669940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3179248608515705011.post-84300250221757922822015-03-31T11:37:40.944+01:002015-03-31T11:37:40.944+01:00Excellent post. I'm off to read the other ones...Excellent post. I'm off to read the other ones you link to.<br /><br />I agree. Fairy tales can be very subversive. I'm shocked to find that at my children's school, the tradition for the Leavers' Ball is that girls wait to be asked by boys. Imagine the pressure, and the embarrassment, and the heartache. It's rare that a year has an equal number of each gender. We're Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com